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"The Last Pope", book that could have cost the life of
Fr. Malachi Martin
P. Malachi Martin: "the Church is the sine qua non
for the arrival of the new world order"
It was increasingly difficult for me to see Christ in one of my immediate superiors. There was no liberal cause that Cardinal Bea did not persecute. Even then he perceived the chief of the Jesuits of that time, Father Jean Baptiste Janssens, as an enemy of the faith.
The Pope is surrounded by men in clerical attire who do not have the Catholic faith; they work with foundations, organizations, international groups, financial institutions, governments, universities, and other agencies to bring a new world order.
(Transcribed from Mariano Apocalypse / translation by Luis Eduardo López Padilla)
Father Malachi Martin worked with the highest dignitaries of the Catholic Church, had 3 doctorates and direct access to the Pope. Eminent theologian, expert in the Catholic Church, ex-Jesuit and professor at the Obispal Bible Institute of the Vatican; He is the author of successful books, the Vatican, The Last Conclave, The Devil's Hostage, The Jesuits and The Windswept House (The Last Pope), among others.
He was specialized in theology in Leuven. There he received PhDs in Semitic Languages, Archeology and Eastern History. Also an exorcist for more than 20 years of the Vatican.
As a result he studied at Oxford and at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. From 1958 to 1964 he served in Rome where he was a close associate of the renowned Jesuit Cardinal Agustín Bea and Pope John XXIII. Martin died at the end of 1999. He was one of those who read the famous Third Secret of Fatima.
The controversial Catholic priest Malachi Martin does not live in a rectory, seminary, or any other place for clergy. In the 1960s, after leaving his job in the Vatican, he obtained a dispensation from his vows as a member of the Jesuits and began to live as a layman with canonical approval. Father Martin officiated at Holy Mass in private, but he was very concerned with the total alteration of "practically everything Catholic" in the last three decades (from 1960 to 1990).
His most recent book, a novel titled Windswept House (published by Doubleday in 1996), describes the political and religious intrigues of a small group of Vatican members who hold high positions and work for the Catholic Church to accept the New World Order. The novel describes the efforts of disloyal cardinals who work feverishly to subvert the Pope and the Church, and do not hesitate to murder, blackmail, and practice Satanism.
Father Martin was interviewed at his New York residence by John F. McManus, editor of THE NEW AMERICAN.
The Last Pope was initially located at 20 dollars and now it is not obtained at less than 100 dollars because "it is out of catalog". Q. You say that your book is neither fiction nor reality, but a "fact" work. What do you mean by that?
R. Windswept House is a novel. But 85% is based on real events, and many of the characters that appear in it are real, even though they have been given fictional names. There are also some living people that I mention, like Mikhail Gorbachev, who is the same as reality. And a few key characters that are really a composition of several real people.
P. You left the Jesuits and ordinary priestly life more than 30 years ago. At that time you were stationed in the Vatican as a trusted person of Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Agustin Bea. What caused you to leave?
R. It was increasingly difficult for me to see Christ in one of my immediate superiors. There was no liberal cause that Cardinal Bea did not persecute. Even then he perceived the chief of the Jesuits of that time, Father Jean Baptiste Janssens, as an enemy of the faith. My colleagues believed that the formal oath against modernism, then required of each priest but later discarded, was a joke. That oath forced us to oppose the "renewal" of dogma. In essence, modernism holds that dogmas change - a total absurdity. I could not continue lending myself to that subversion.
P. Then you left the Jesuits. But that did not free you from your duties as a priest. What is your current status?
R. At my request, Pope Paul VI granted me a universal status for which I would not be under the supervision of any bishop. I do not see myself as a priest and I do not occupy any priestly position. But I'm still a priest.
Q. When you wanted to leave, was there any attempt to keep it?
R. Yes, I was told that I could become a cardinal, that I had biblical knowledge, ease with languages, youth, good health, a good memory, and all this placed me as a candidate to be promoted. But I did not want to stay because I saw that faith was being compromised by many.
Q. Your book begins with a vivid description of a sacrilegious "Black Mass" held in 1963 in Charleston, South Carolina. Did that really happen?
R. Yes, it happened. And it is also a fact that high Vatican ecclesiastical offices participated by telephone. The young woman forced into the satanic ritual still lives, and happily she has been able to marry and lead a normal life. She gave the details of the event.
Q. You refer to one of your main characters as the "Slavic Pope" and another as the "Cardinal of the Secular City." Do you mean Pope John Paul II and the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin of Chicago?
R. I can not confirm these speculations. I have written a "factual" book. It is not a documentary. There is a glossary out there that supposedly gives the real names of dozens of my characters.
Q. In addition to the "Cardinal of the Secular City," you negatively describe many other cardinals and bishops. Are these characterizations based on real events?
R. Yes, among the cardinals and the hierarchy there are Satanists, homosexuals, anti-papists, and cooperators to achieve a world government.
Q. Is there as much intrigue and disloyalty in the Vatican as your book seems to indicate?
R. There is more than I have given in the book. The Pope is surrounded by men in clerical attire who do not have the Catholic faith; they work with foundations, organizations, international groups, financial institutions, governments, universities, and other agencies to bring a new world order.
Q. In your book you say that subversive influences in the higher clerical positions of the Church are working to bring a new world order. What do you mean by "new world order?"
R. In its fully planned form, there will be a monetary globalization, and the flow of capital and merchandise will be managed by a single central entity, such as the International Compensation Bank of Switzerland. Any nation that does not submit to the globalized system will perish. Additionally, there will be an expanded United Nations that will extend its new ethical structure ... This will replace the Ten Commandments and will be the basis of a new universal religion without God. All Christians, especially Catholics, will be forced to endure a martyrdom in which they will be required to abandon everything they believe, they will be pressured to accept the new form of the state with their new religion. This new world order will not be centered on a group of buildings from which the emissaries will come to give orders to the world. There will be national legislations, but the governments of the world will be directed by those who are at the top.
Q. What do you mean by the "top"?
R. The force that underlies and of which I have written in Windswept House (The Last Pope) is structured as in a pyramid. It is wide at the base, where many individuals pursue their interests and expect to be elevated to higher positions. There are fewer and fewer inhabitants as you ascend the structure. Only a few reach the last command level, the top of the pyramid. These individuals have no allegiance to the nations from which they come; They are a new type of human being, internationalists who seek to control humanity. They do not have a God, but collectively, they intend to use religion, governments, and whatever they find useful to impose their will. For example, I think, the USSR did not disintegrate naturally, but collapsed by a premeditated order. Those orders came from the top.
Q. Do you foresee physical repression in this new world order?
R. Yes, although of a new type. The determined forces to achieve total power will certainly create detention camps, but the individuals sent to them will always be victims of completely legal procedures; they will be found guilty of breaking the law.
Q. Is the Catholic Church a greater goal than other churches?
R. Yes, because it is an independent international organization that can not be allowed to exist as a competitor. The Catholic Church has its own diplomatic corps of ambassadors stationed in the industrialized nations of the world. There are 180 nations that have sent ambassadors to the Vatican. No other church attracts so much attention. Those who work for the new world order must control this unique organization. The process they use to achieve this is described in Windswept House . In the book I write, "The Church is the sine qua non for the arrival of the new world order."
Q. You have described what would be practically a total disintegration of the Catholic Church that includes a refusal on the part of the leaders of the Church to expel apostate heretics and theologians, stop the false annulment of marriage, expel homosexuals, force the bishops to adhere to the laws and dogmas of the church, etc. In a previous book, you excuse the Pope for not taking measures to put an end to these abuses, alluding to there being good reasons for his surprising tolerance. Now, however, he has adopted a much harsher attitude that no longer offers excuses for his inaction. Why the new attitude?
R. It's too late to try to find excuses . The Pope must use his authority to save the Church from its internal enemies. The problem within the Church today is apostasy, having departed from fundamental dogmas, especially by those who occupy high positions. This is not the same as heresy and schism. The apostates should be expelled. When they are allowed to remain inside, the people gradually fall into the same apostasy.
Q. Do not you think that some Catholics will be upset with you because of their criticism of the Pope and his condemnation of the highest officials of the Church?
R. Some already are. However, the Popes are ordinary men who are elevated to an extraordinary level and given extraordinary powers. In general, but a very specific question, they are fallible as were Pedro and Judas. As for the cardinals and bishops, there are many great saints, but the church has been damaged for a long time by the intrigue and disloyalty of some of them.
Q. What you describe has something to do with the plans of the Italian Carbonari of the 19th century? That group was established to infiltrate the Church so that the Catholic clergy and the people would follow its instructions?
R. Precisely! However, the Carbonari was never a spooky association that operated secretly with hoods and tall hats. If you understand the tactics of the Carbonari, you know that their leaders never tried to destroy the Church, but that their intention was to use it. They recognized the Church as a force of social stabilization in the world and that they wanted their control for their own ends. Its central objective was to surround the Pope and the Vatican and have the Church following them. His plan was always to copy the church by putting its people in seminaries and convents, not destroying it.
Q. Has there been anything similar to what it describes in the 2000 years of the Catholic Church?
R. No, nothing like it. There has never been a time when practically at all levels of the Church, apostasy is fostered, protected, permitted, and not even condemned. All this means one thing to me: This does not mean the end of the Church; it means the end of the structure of the Church as we know it.
And I do not expect that in the end the Catholic Church in America will end up breaking with Rome and creating a formal schism. When there is apostasy, the ignorance of Catholics makes them obedient, if there is a formal schism instead of the apostasy of the prelates of America - and the prelates of any nation announcing a formal break - they would lose the obedience of the people.
Q. One of the several people who live in your book whose name is actually Mikhail Gorbachev. Is it more or less dangerous for humanity now that it is no longer the leader of the former Soviet Union?
R. He is much more dangerous. It is destined for great things in the plans of those who are carrying out "the process" that leads to the new world order.
Q. Does your book mention "the decline of NATO". Do you mean that NATO is about to disappear?
R. No, I mean the decline of NATO, in relation to what was conceived. Originally it was formed as a military alliance to oppose any possible Soviet advance to the west. There is no other Soviet Union that was the great military threat to the West. NATO should have dissolved, but its structure is useful, so a new political and economic role is being given.
Q. You mention the Council on Foreign Relations, (CFR) but only briefly. What is your attitude towards the CFR?
R. It is not the brain behind all this. There is a higher level of authority and planning that is based on the CFR and other groups. This is the Summit that I mentioned above.
Q. How have the respondents treated your book?
R. There have been no bad comments. However, many respondents have reviewed my book and the book "White Smoke" by Andrew Greeley, which recommends the election of another pope who would face the problems that the Church suffers today. That, of course, is not what is needed, however, respondents refer to him as a conservative and me as a radical. It is funny.
The New York Times has not reviewed my book and I do not expect the editors of your book to do so. Not long ago, another work of mine was on the Times best-seller list, and they referred to me simply as "a good read".
Q. What is next for Malachi Martin?
R. In the twelfth century, the Jewish scholar Maimonides wrote for his people a "Guide for the Perplexed." I hope to write a similar book to help Catholics during this very surprising period in history.
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