Reflecting on Obligations

[MaryM]

The "crisis in the Church" is used by all traditional groups to justify their positions. If Rome comes back to the faith (e.g. pre-Vatican 2 days), do you think this or future "crisis" will go away? Modernism is unstoppable. Popes after Pope Pius X could not stop this monstrosity. We need to pray and fast for Heaven to intervene.

You are correct that all traditional groups use "crisis in the Church" to justify their position. Sometimes they are correct to do so. But it must be used cautiously because it is a slippery slope to justify anything of a particular priest or group.

For example, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko used the "crisis in the Church" to justify the conditional ordination of "Fr" Poisson by non-Catholic orthodox non-bishop William Moran.

They use the "crisis in the Church" to continue their associations with and support of pervert and laicised priests.

And they use the "crisis in the Church" to justify their not cooperating with any bishop superior these last eight years.

These are incorrect uses of the "crisis in the Church".

God knew this crisis would come. We must maintain the Faith as best as we are able under these circumstances.

Our Lady will crush the head of modernism. Of this we can be certain. Our pleas, prayers, and fasting will help to bring it to fruition.

 

[cosmas2000]

So the four Bishops are in the same position as Archbishop Lefebvre. Their superior is the Pope himself whom they continue to disobey until Rome converts.

Admin, is this certain? Have the 4 SSPX Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre as well as the Bishops consecrated by Bishop Williamson ever declared that their superior is the Pope? Does Rome or SSPX or Bishop Williamson's Resistance have evidence to support this?

 

[cosmas2000]

You are correct that all traditional groups use "crisis in the Church" to justify their position. Sometimes they are correct to do so. But it must be used cautiously because it is a slippery slope to justify anything of a particular priest or group.

For example, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko used the "crisis in the Church" to justify the conditional ordination of "Fr" Poisson by non-Catholic orthodox non-bishop William Moran.

Every Bishop and Priest of Tradition has and will use the "crisis in the Church" to justify steps they decide are necessary. This is because they apply supplied jurisdiction when it suits their situation. While Rome is swept up in Modernism, the "traditional" Priests and Bishops are running their own operations.

 

[Admin]

Admin, is this certain? Have the 4 SSPX Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre as well as the Bishops consecrated by Bishop Williamson ever declared that their superior is the Pope? Does Rome or SSPX or Bishop Williamson's Resistance have evidence to support this?

I am certain. If you want to be certain you will have to ask them.

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